Another Great Recruiting Move by the PSU Staff has learned that after seeing playing time at USC and then getting injured,  Broderick Green's family contacted PSU about him transferring into PSU for this Spring semester.  Simply put, Green's camp was told NO THANK YOU.  Thats right, PSU could have had at a legit RB prospect enroll for the spring semester and be ready to challenge for serious playing time in 2009 (after sitting out a transfer year).  We all know the circus that surrounded Green's announcement last year and his inevitable choice to spurn PSU at the last second but turning him away so quick is a big mistake.

PSU needs to realize we are not the PSU of the mid-80s anymore.  PSU needs to jump on these opportunities especially when an uber-"recruit" PSU type RB falls into your lap.

We can only fathom that the reason for turning down Green's transfer request is that perhaps PSU has a plethora of  stud RBs in the stable.  But last time we checked, PSU's RB position and depth was anything but deep.  Sure, PSU has Evan Royster but after young Royster, PSU will be forced to rely on RS-Frosh Stephfon Green and perhaps incoming frosh Brandon Beachum (a January enrollee, thank god) and maybe Michael Shaw (if he doesn't decommitt and head to Michigan).  I guess PSU could always keep Brent Carter at RB. 

Saying No to Green is the type of thinking that put this program into its current position..mediocrity. 

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  • 1/7/2008 1:58 PM Anonymous wrote:
    This is classic Joe. Kid didn't pcik you, wah. Now, he sees his choice was not so great, and is actually admitting to you that he made a mistake.

    And you say, I told you so, but no.

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    1. 1/7/2008 3:42 PM AGmines wrote:
      The Black Players especially Basketball Players all talk about how they do not care for Penn State surroundings. This is one reason why they have trouble recruiting Black BB Players. Even Pryor has stated he dislikes the area. PSU has had trouble with African-Americans numerous times over the last few years it is well documented in the Newspapers and PBS Specials like the Collegian.

      I have personally talked to Former PSU Football Players and behind JoePa back they call him Biggie Rat! This is no joke, yes this comes from many players that did not play as often but it there in any event. Kennedy and Johnson a few years ago (2002) could not wait to leave and said so in the Papers after their final Game.

      There is a big reason for drinking and drugs at PSU, there is not much to do at all. This is one reason why so many PSU Players have been arrested over being drunk in public, or fights at parties, and other mischief. I have been there in the dead of winter and it is dead. JoePA redshirts many players and that is one reason why they stay there to play so long, not because they love it.

      The Big Ten Schools such as Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin have been able to tame Penn State recruiting in the Big Ten and even in PA, NJ, And NY lately. Iowa and now Illinois and MSU are doing it in coaching just like Minnesota use to do until they fired Mason. PSU is 37-35 in Big ten Play since 1999. A trend over 9 years not a 1 or 2 time deal.

      The ACC Schools of Maryland, Virginia, VT, and BC have cut deeply into PSU recruiting in those states and New Jersey. ACC Expansion has actually helped ACC recruiting at PSU expense.

      The Big East Schools in Pitt, WVU, Cuse, Rutgers are hacking away region by region and ND takes them out when it comes to National Recruiting. Big East no longer in danger of losing its BCS Bowl Bid and recent success in BCS Ratings, Top Ten Polls, and Bowls have caught the attention of great recruits and coaches once again after losing it in 2003 and 2004!

      Penn State has a problem and it is not going away anytime soon!
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      1. 1/29/2008 6:47 PM Flerdy wrote:
        Are you for real? Have you ever been to Tallahassee, Florida or Blacksburg, Virginia? Redneck Heaven and Bleaksburg Nowhere. And don't get me started on Baton Rouge, Auburn, Gainesville, or even Athens, Georgia, all little redneck college towns. There's nothing to do in any of those places but drink, or road trip somewhere else to drink.

        And what on earth do you think college kids who attend school in big urban centers do? Attend the friggin' ballet and opera every night? No, they're in college bars drinking and raising hell, just like in State College.

        You just have no idea what you're talking about. Black basketball players don't want to come to PSU because there's no basketball tradition there, not because it's in a rural county in the middle of nowhere. Ever heard of Lawrence, Kansas? Did you know that Wilt Chamberlain grew up in Philadelphia, yet went to Kansas U in rural, white, segregated Lawrence to play b-ball?

        And many of the top PA kids that Penn State loses to the Big 10 or to Pitt are from western PA, where the press is completely pro-Pitt and anti-PSU, so many of those kids never, ever entertained thoughts of being a Nittany Lion.

        The recruiting problem is not the school's location; it's the coaching staff. Top QBs simply do not want to be coached by Jay Paterno. After watching the non-development of Morelli, I don't blame them. True, the kid is dumber than a box of rocks but if a kid makes the same mistake time and time again, like lunging with the ball for the extra yard and then fumbling instead of protecting the ball, part of the blame must fall on the coaches for not doing whatever it takes to break him of that habit.

        And JoePa is getting older and crankier, and doesn't like how emphasis and attention have been shifted onto high school kids. can you imagine a PSU recruit calling a press conference to announce his decision and showing up in a stretch limo like Jimmy Clausen did? Paterno just doesn't accept that kids who have grown up in the information age have perceptions and expectations different from 20 years ago, and Joe's recruiting and "seniors first" rigidity will continue to hurt in the future, even if the 2006 class was pretty good.

        And Syracuse and Maryland have been eating PSU's lunch at football recruiting? Perhaps you haven't noticed those two teams SUCK. And have for quite some time.

        There's a lot not to like about the way Joe runs the show, especially his habit of sticking with seniors even when there's more talented underclassman on the bench. But the sky is falling because Kennedy and Johnson didn't like Paterno or Centre County? You have no clue what you're talking about.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:02 PM Anonymous wrote:
    you have got to be shitting me?
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  • 1/7/2008 2:04 PM psuangus wrote:
    Maybe Joe told him only if BG and Vidal were a package deal.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:06 PM Anonymous wrote:
    Correct move IMHO.
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    1. 1/7/2008 2:13 PM 17 wrote:
      Yep, always wise to turn away talented prospects.
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      1. 1/7/2008 2:21 PM Anonymous wrote:
        It is wise when you feel you are already loaded at that position and you have other pressing needs at other positions. You do realize we only get 85 scholarships to play with, right? You guys are just sounding petty now. If Green were willing to come play as a walk-on I would take him.
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        1. 1/7/2008 2:26 PM nw wrote:
          You must be joking.

          Getting a kid like BGreen fills a need for a big back and also sends a nice message to recruits that maybe the grass isn't 'greener' on the west coast....
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        2. 1/7/2008 2:30 PM 17 wrote:
          Loaded at the position? Tell me you aren't serious. We have one kid that has proven that he has a hard time staying healty and then a bunch of questions marks. If that is your definition of loaded.... well then you must be loaded. We had a chance to bring in a kid that was going to play as a true frosh at USC until his injury. The decision is moronic.
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          1. 1/7/2008 3:06 PM anonymous wrote:
            "Loaded at the position? Tell me you aren't serious. We have one kid that has proven that he has a hard time staying healty and then a bunch of questions marks. If that is your definition of loaded.... well then you must be loaded. We had a chance to bring in a kid that was going to play as a true frosh at USC until his injury. The decision is moronic."

            And what makes BG such a proven commodity? What makes you so sure he's so much better than any of the other players we have? Because Scout gave him four or five stars?

            You guys are just grasping at straws to push your "Joe Must Go" agenda. Two years from now we won't be shaking our heads wishing we had Broderick Green on our team.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:09 PM Anonymous wrote:
    "We can only fathom that the reason for turning down Green's transfer request is that perhaps PSU has a plethora of stud RBs in the stable."

    I kind of agree with this assessment. Sure we have a bunch of freshmen now, but in 2009, when Green would be available for use, Royster will be in his junior year, Stephfon Green will be a redshirt sophomore, and Beachum and Shaw will be in their second years. It's going to be crowded in the backfield in 2009, so why bring in another body? And there is talk that PSU is looking at a few studs for the next recruiting class. If you can get one of those guys for four years why would you take a transfer that has to sit out a year and will only give you three good years?

    I think telling Green to take a hike is a good move for us at this point. He had his chance and made a dumb choice. We shouldn't sacrifice just to take him back.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:16 PM 17 wrote:
    One can only imagine how frustrated the coaches on this staff that actually recruit are at this current time. Simply put, Joe Paterno is a senile old man that needs to have the "keys" to the program taken away. He no longer has what it takes to drive a Division 1 program. You simply don't turn away a talent like Green, especially at a position like RB.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:17 PM cp_53 wrote:
    This is actually true. We're fine at RB..
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  • 1/7/2008 2:20 PM nw wrote:
    WTF !

    Whatever happened to "not wanting to leave the cupboard bare" ??

    I'm normally not one to jump to conclusions, but this just smells of Joe's spite.

    Let's hope the staff is just making the Green's go through some pain before agreeing to at least talk to the family.

    But, I'm not holding my breath.

    LO - did we at least hear their case ??
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    1. 1/7/2008 2:32 PM 17 wrote:
      This decision was made by an old man with a grudge.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:26 PM Brantt wrote:
    Green was going to play as a true freshman at USC. He's better than any RB on our entire roster.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:26 PM joe wrote:
    everyone relax. The family always wanted BG to go to PSU. If broderick Green contacted Penn State himself that would be totally different.
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    1. 1/7/2008 2:31 PM 17 wrote:
      He did.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:35 PM waitasecond wrote:
    17, the post said his FAMILY contacted PSU. Then you say that he personally contacted PSU. Which is it?

    Could there be more to the story? Why do we assume that it's simply Joe being a stubborn old man? Maybe he wouldn't qualify?

    Personally, I think it's the right move. You made your choice BG, stick with it. We don't want USCs injured leftovers. Besides, I think we're more than fine at RB.
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    1. 1/7/2008 2:39 PM 17 wrote:
      Broderick is part of the Green Family. He wanted to transfer here.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:43 PM nttnylyon wrote:
    I'd be happy to waitasecond, but I've been waitingtenyears.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:49 PM psuangus wrote:
    Are we to believe that Petey would have signed the transfer papers?
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  • 1/7/2008 2:52 PM Cletus wrote:
    The real reason is that Jay only has the capability to enter in 4 RBs into playstation, and he already put in Royster, Stephon Green, Beachum, and Shaw. Do you know how much work it would be for Jay to have to add a 5th RB to playstation, it would have taken hours of his precious time.
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    1. 1/7/2008 2:58 PM 17 wrote:
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  • 1/7/2008 2:54 PM Brantt wrote:
    He signed the papers for Emmanuel Moody.
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    1. 1/7/2008 2:59 PM psuagnus wrote:
      Good point. I forgot about him.
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  • 1/7/2008 2:54 PM golferhhi wrote:
    First off he was not going to play as a freshman, unless you mean suit up, if you mean start as FB no he was not. He may have been told that but no way. Second he is or was talented. I have no idea what the injury is to him. Since someone knows here that we turned him down, so what was the reason for the turn down? Do we always only get part of the story?
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    1. 1/7/2008 3:06 PM 17 wrote:
      You know how all decisions are made at PSU. Do we really need to spell this one out for you?
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  • 1/7/2008 2:57 PM avid wrote:
    He made his choice. It could just another rumor started to cause a big stir. I wish some of the people who attack our program would go west too. We need to support our program instead of acting like we are the experts. All the dissension isn't helping recruiting efforts. To me it doesn't send a good message to those who are consideration our program.
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    1. 1/7/2008 3:00 PM 17 wrote:
      Why should we care when it's clear our HC doesn't.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:01 PM HST wrote:
    Let me check w/my connect in LR...see what he says if this is true.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:38 PM WaitJustASecond wrote:
    17, thanks for the story. Despite my opinion on it, we appreciate the inside scoop.

    I have to say, I'm ready for change, but I have to believe there is more to the story than simply a grumpy old man being stubborn and saying no b/c BG spurned us.

    Maybe Joe didn't want to be unfair to the RBs that were commited to us from the beginning? Maybe he didn't want an injured RB? Maybe BG didn't have the grades?

    Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you know more about the situation than the rest of us, but you also thought Walker was going to PSU, so maybe not.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:41 PM PSU02 wrote:
    I'd like to know the whole story before I jump to any conclusions, but I was really excited about Green last year so it would have been cool for him to end up at PSU.

    But 17 you showed your true colors when you called Joe Paterno senile so it's hard to take much you say seriously.
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    1. 1/7/2008 3:53 PM 17 wrote:
      02, you don't have to take anything I say seriously, it won't hurt my feelings.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:43 PM Sporty wrote:
    This is funny. Greeny writes the article, it's true what happened, and 17's the bad guy

    Rest assured when there's a controversy, 17's lingering
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  • 1/7/2008 3:47 PM PSUFan wrote:
    Look at what we have here....Sporty...the laschout groupie thats always trying to pass out others inside information as his own.
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    1. 1/7/2008 4:19 PM Sporty wrote:
      Look at what we have here....Sporty...the laschout groupie thats always trying to pass out others inside information as his own. (PSUFAN)

      I have autographed T-shirts from the Laschout guys if you want one though, the price is $4.95 + tax, unless you're in DE, then there's no tax.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:48 PM PSU02 wrote:
    Congratulations AGmines, that was without question the stupidest thing I've ever read about Penn State football.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:49 PM 83Nit wrote:
    Let's see, Green would have to sit out a year and then have three years eligibility remaining. That would likely put him in direct competition with Beachum during his entire time at PSU, barring injury. Since he's a similar type of back as Beachum, what kind of a message does this send to Brandon just prior to LOI day ?
    As much as I've criticized Joe over the past few years, I think he made the right decision this time.
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  • 1/7/2008 3:57 PM Brian LB-U wrote:
    Great move indeed. That's all we need is our staff breaking NCAA bylaws by illegally speaking to Broderick Green. Or is privy to Green's current status as a USC student athlete as well as his status of having obtained written permission from USC to speak with PSU....directly OR indirectly??
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  • 1/7/2008 4:00 PM gianluca wrote:
    FYI - Phil is on top of this rumor.

    Phil and BWI have already refuted the report which can be read on premium.
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  • 1/7/2008 4:00 PM Melvie wrote:
    If the reaction of those who responded to this story is representative of the feelings of the alumni and big donors, it is no wonder this program has slipped into its current - ten year long - mediocre state.

    I guess many fans are content with being a .500 program since 2000 (which is exactly why it will continue to be a mediocre, middle-of-the-pack Big 10 program).
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  • 1/7/2008 4:02 PM Phils_Rug wrote:
    I see Phil has started his campaign of misdirection on this 1. His "inside source", Jeff Nelson told him so. What's Wilma gonna say.. I wanted my son at PSU but they turned him down ?
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  • 1/7/2008 4:10 PM blueband98 wrote:
    As much as I wanted Green last year I am fine with what Joe did. From all reports that were made public, Green told the PSU staff he was going to be a Nittany Lion, then on signing day he said 'screw you I'm going to play with 7 other RBs out at the GREAT USC.' PSU went out and recruited an amazing talent in Stepfhon Green last year and two running backs this year. These players wanted to be Nittany Lions from the start. Green had his chance and who says that he will be as good or better than what we currently have? At this point, PSU does not need another RB in house. We will have at least 4 RB for the next three years.
    If Green wants to walk on and earn a scholarship then I am OK with it. Otherwise, enjoy the bench at USC or transfering somewhere else, maybe Arkansas.
    Now if a great OT wants to transfer to PSU Im all for it!!!

    To the Lasch guys, just because I dont agree with you doesnt mean I dont appreciate the story. You guys are pro Penn State even if you are anti-Joe.
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  • 1/7/2008 4:18 PM anonymous wrote:
    Looks like "The Pilgrim" is calling you guys liars.

    ($$$ required)
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