Youth is no Excuse
Posted by z1344 at 1/11/2008 5:15 PM and is filed under uncategorized 
Like the fanbase of the Chicago Cubs in the Fall, Penn State Football fans find themselves in January (or earlier) talking about "next year". If college sports have taught us anything, an experienced team should not be taken lightly. Looking at 2008's depth chart, I see an upperclassman-filled roster. While 2007 had the ideal schedule set up for an undefeated run, the 2008 team should at least force Joe to be creative in finding a way to use youth as an excuse for this team's losses.
QB - Clark (Jr)
RB - Royster (soph)
FB - Lawlor (SR)
WR - Butler (SR)
WR - Williams (SR)
WR - Norwood (SR)
WR - Bell (Jr)
TE - Quarless (Jr)
TE - Shuler (Jr)
C - Shipley (SR)
G - Ohrnberger (SR)
G - Lucian (SR)
OT - Cadogen (SR)
OT - Landolt (Jr)
DE - Gaines (SR)
DE - Evans (Jr)
DT - Taylor (Jr)
DT - Odrick (Jr)
LB - Lee (SR)
LB - Sales (SR)
LB - Colasanti/Gbadyu/Bowman (soph)
CB - King (SR)
CB - Sarge (SR)
DB - Scirrotto (SR)
DB - Davis (SR)
NB - Wallace (Jr)
DB - Rubin (SR)
K - Kelly (SR)
P - Boone (Jr)
Now of course Green, Wiz, Sczerba, Maybin, and possibly Devlin, Beachum and Still - among others - are underclassmen who will get snaps, but for the most part RB and a LB position are the only two spots we have to count on a soph.
Our coaching might be, um, questionable but if 2005 is any indication, an experienced team with great leadership can take care of it all out on the field no matter how long it takes our coaches to get a play out to the huddle.
I see a lot of similarities in this roster to the 2005 team. Not exactly similar, of course, but interestingly close. A breakdown of positions..
QB - Robinson (SR) vs. Clark (Jr)
Both question marks entering their first year as starter. MRob is, of course, legendary. In all likelihood, Clark won't come close to what Mike Rob did in crucial situations. He does posses similar character traits to #12, and many fans expect him to run the same playbook Robinson did. Will he gut out the short yardage runs, like Mike? Probably not as frequently, but the talent around him is equal to or greater than 2005's. On any other team Pat Devlin (soph) would be a serious part of the discussion... too bad he is at PSU. Patrick could very well be the QB that this team needs, but unfortunately for him he has neither seniority, nor was he recruited by the worst-resumed QB coach in football history. Clark will be the starter, no matter what Joe says about open position battles in the preseason.
Edge - 2005
RB - Hunt (Jr) vs. Royster (soph)
Hunt is one of the greatest PSU tailbacks of all time. He and Mike Robinson combined to become one of the hardest-to-tackle backfields in Big Ten history. They are both now running backs in the NFL. Evan Royster needs to stay healthy, but could have a huge soph year behind this line if he does. If he produces like the pleasantly-surprising 2005 freshmen corps of Wide Receivers, then an elite season is not so much out of the question. An injury would mean Stephen Green, Brandon Beachum or Mike Shaw (fresh) to be counted on. Health is a necessity for success.
Edge - 2005
OT - Brown (Jr) & Richardson/Wilson (SR) vs. Cadogen (SR) & Landolt (Jr)
Brown became a top 5 draft pick a year later. Cadogen and Landolt won't ever be able to claim that, but they show signs of stability, and could improve to be a better tandem then the 2005 duo.
Edge - push
OG - Reed (SR)& Rush (SR) vs. Ohrnberger (SR) & Lucian(SR)/Wiz (soph)
Reed received Big Ten honors and the Bears used a late round pick on him, but while Rush was part of a great offensive line, he never lived up to the level of hype fans had for him. This writer believes that Ohrnberger will play on Sundays. Lucian was solid and can be counted on, while Stefan also shows the ability to make it to the next level. Obviously, my opinion means very little, but the last time PSU had 2 future NFL guards on their line was 1994... Pro Bowlers Jeff Hartings and Marco Rivera (writing this sentence made me feel like Phil Grosz for a minute...and I don't regret it).
Edge - 2008
C - Antolick/EZ Smith (SR) vs. Shipley (SR)
Captain Shipley? Maybe, if not he still has All America potential tattooed all over him, and I expect a first team Big Ten pre-season nod, at least. This isn't even close.
Edge - 2008
WR - Butler, Norwood, Williams (Fr) vs. Butler, Norwood, Williams (SR)
2005's #4 WR was Ethan Kilmer, while 2008's will be Chris Bell. Kilmer was drafted as a special teams ace, but Bell has the ability to be drafted as... a Wide Receiver. Its obvious that the 2008 group should be miles better than they were as freshmen, but you never know with the way this staff develops its passing attack..
Edge - 2008
TE - Smolko (SR) vs. Quarless (Jr)
This shouldn't even be a debate but since the Paterno Family declines to showcase Quarless, it is a question mark. Yes, AQII has dropped a few, but so has every other receiver on this team and they are allowed to play through it. Quarless' ability isn't just a figment of everyone's imagination - the kid has something most TE's don't. Sczerba also has the chance to give Clark a group of talented receiving TE's. Smolko is just another in the long line of Tight Ends who have disappointed since the late 90's.
Edge - 2008, unless Shuler sees all of the snaps.
DE - Hali (SR) & Rice (SR) vs. Evans (Jr) & Gaines (SR)
These players compare to each other quite well, I think. The 2005 duo was better, but they certainly didn't have 2008's depth. Evans could very well put up a Hali-like year and stroll into the NFL's first round at season's end. Gaines is like Rice in that he plays well enough to start, but won't be on anyone's all star list. Maybin should probably start (but he won't), and if Hayes comes back 95-99% from his injury this team could set records for sacks.
Edge - 2005 (for now)
DT - Paxson (SR) & Alford (Jr) vs. Taylor (Jr) & Koroma (Soph)
The 2008 line has the ability to be dominating, but its yet to be really seen. Again, 2008 has more depth, but the 2005 team produced results. Alford and Paxson were feared, and made things easier for the LBs to make plays. Odrick has injury's to overcome, McEowen is rumored to be leaving school (pulling a Logan-El?), and Baker has legal woes and judicial affairs, not to mention Joe's punishment, to deal with. So the depth chart here is all up in the air. In other news, Ogbu >>> Roach. Taylor and Koroma have something the 2005 duo didn't have - size. Still, they need to earn the respect. Coach Larry Johnson leaving would decimate the dominating ability this line has carried since The Presidents established in 2002.
Edge - 2005 (for now)
LB - Posluszny (Jr), Shaw (Jr), Connor (Soph) vs. Lee (SR), Sales (SR), Colasanti/Bowman/Gbadyu (Soph)
PSU's linebackers are going to reload and not be a position of concern for quite a few years. That said, the 2005 unit was the reason all of our newest linebackers wanted to come play for B&W. Lee is in line to be the latest Bednarik winner and Butkus finalist (and possible winner), and the young guys will surely step in and play well, but the 2005 team can' t be touched. Puz+Connor is only exceeded by 2006's Puz+Connor+Lee. Lee will surely be an All American, but the production of the other two positions is yet to be determined.
Edge - 2005
CB - Zemaitis (SR) & Phillips (SR) vs. King/Wallace (SR/Jr) & Sargeant (SR)
The 2005 team was solid, but couldn't stop 1 last second Michigan play, which is so hard to forget. King may very well stay in the draft, but a poor showing in 2007 might be too much to overcome his projected spot. If he doesn't come back, plug in AJ Wallace who at least provides the same prospects that King brings. AZ was a captain and one of 2005's top playmakers in college football, while Phillips proved many doubters wrong and can be pictured signaling "incomplete" pass after pass during the Orange Bowl. The 2008 defensive backs will be able to match any opposing Wide Receiver with speed, but soft coverage and occasional poor tackling hurts this bunch.
Edge - 2005
S - Lowry (SR) & Harrell (SR) vs. Scirrotto (SR) & Davis (SR)
These are almost too similar. Lowry and Scirrotto both return punts, and Davis and Harrell enter their senior years after missing time the year before. I will rank this position as a "push", but I would not be surprised if a healthy 2008 secondary changes that by the end of the year.
Edge - Push
K - Kelly (fresh) & P Kapinos (Jr) vs. K Kelly (SR) & Boone (Jr)
Kelly is almost too difficult to get excited about. Nagging injuries have kept him from capitalizing on the game winning FG in the Orange Bowl, even though he is set to claim PSU all-time scoring records. Inconsistency has plagued his career. Jeremy Boone is one of the biggest surprises I have seen in winning a starting job, probably since Jordan Norwood. I wasn't surprised that he won the job, but that he produced results. Who would have ever thought that out of High School teammates Jeremy Boone and Zach Frazer, Boone will have the more productive college career? I don't really worry about him, the same way Kapinos didn't concern me.
Edge - 2008
Overall - 2005 (duh)
The 2005 team was special and almost ridiculous to compare a team to them so soon, after 2 so-so years. I'm not saying that the 2008 team will go 11-1, I just see an almost equal (if not more) level of experience. Its easy for me to give the nod to the 2005 team, but I can easily see the 2008 team exceeding expectations and challenging the 2005 team by season's end. The 2008 OL as a whole could be better, as well as the secondary, DL and Special Teams. However, are the question marks too much to overcome? Is the MRob Factor too high a hurdle? Would we be better off with Devlin throwing from the pocket to the greatest trio of Wide Receivers in Central PA?
How would you guys breakdown any position battles between these 2 teams, specifically which ones intrigue you the most?
Try not to enter Imagination Land and include Pryor to this team, realistic debates only, please.
QB - Clark (Jr)
RB - Royster (soph)
FB - Lawlor (SR)
WR - Butler (SR)
WR - Williams (SR)
WR - Norwood (SR)
WR - Bell (Jr)
TE - Quarless (Jr)
TE - Shuler (Jr)
C - Shipley (SR)
G - Ohrnberger (SR)
G - Lucian (SR)
OT - Cadogen (SR)
OT - Landolt (Jr)
DE - Gaines (SR)
DE - Evans (Jr)
DT - Taylor (Jr)
DT - Odrick (Jr)
LB - Lee (SR)
LB - Sales (SR)
LB - Colasanti/Gbadyu/Bowman (soph)
CB - King (SR)
CB - Sarge (SR)
DB - Scirrotto (SR)
DB - Davis (SR)
NB - Wallace (Jr)
DB - Rubin (SR)
K - Kelly (SR)
P - Boone (Jr)
Now of course Green, Wiz, Sczerba, Maybin, and possibly Devlin, Beachum and Still - among others - are underclassmen who will get snaps, but for the most part RB and a LB position are the only two spots we have to count on a soph.
Our coaching might be, um, questionable but if 2005 is any indication, an experienced team with great leadership can take care of it all out on the field no matter how long it takes our coaches to get a play out to the huddle.
I see a lot of similarities in this roster to the 2005 team. Not exactly similar, of course, but interestingly close. A breakdown of positions..
QB - Robinson (SR) vs. Clark (Jr)
Both question marks entering their first year as starter. MRob is, of course, legendary. In all likelihood, Clark won't come close to what Mike Rob did in crucial situations. He does posses similar character traits to #12, and many fans expect him to run the same playbook Robinson did. Will he gut out the short yardage runs, like Mike? Probably not as frequently, but the talent around him is equal to or greater than 2005's. On any other team Pat Devlin (soph) would be a serious part of the discussion... too bad he is at PSU. Patrick could very well be the QB that this team needs, but unfortunately for him he has neither seniority, nor was he recruited by the worst-resumed QB coach in football history. Clark will be the starter, no matter what Joe says about open position battles in the preseason.
Edge - 2005
RB - Hunt (Jr) vs. Royster (soph)
Hunt is one of the greatest PSU tailbacks of all time. He and Mike Robinson combined to become one of the hardest-to-tackle backfields in Big Ten history. They are both now running backs in the NFL. Evan Royster needs to stay healthy, but could have a huge soph year behind this line if he does. If he produces like the pleasantly-surprising 2005 freshmen corps of Wide Receivers, then an elite season is not so much out of the question. An injury would mean Stephen Green, Brandon Beachum or Mike Shaw (fresh) to be counted on. Health is a necessity for success.
Edge - 2005
OT - Brown (Jr) & Richardson/Wilson (SR) vs. Cadogen (SR) & Landolt (Jr)
Brown became a top 5 draft pick a year later. Cadogen and Landolt won't ever be able to claim that, but they show signs of stability, and could improve to be a better tandem then the 2005 duo.
Edge - push
OG - Reed (SR)& Rush (SR) vs. Ohrnberger (SR) & Lucian(SR)/Wiz (soph)
Reed received Big Ten honors and the Bears used a late round pick on him, but while Rush was part of a great offensive line, he never lived up to the level of hype fans had for him. This writer believes that Ohrnberger will play on Sundays. Lucian was solid and can be counted on, while Stefan also shows the ability to make it to the next level. Obviously, my opinion means very little, but the last time PSU had 2 future NFL guards on their line was 1994... Pro Bowlers Jeff Hartings and Marco Rivera (writing this sentence made me feel like Phil Grosz for a minute...and I don't regret it).
Edge - 2008
C - Antolick/EZ Smith (SR) vs. Shipley (SR)
Captain Shipley? Maybe, if not he still has All America potential tattooed all over him, and I expect a first team Big Ten pre-season nod, at least. This isn't even close.
Edge - 2008
WR - Butler, Norwood, Williams (Fr) vs. Butler, Norwood, Williams (SR)
2005's #4 WR was Ethan Kilmer, while 2008's will be Chris Bell. Kilmer was drafted as a special teams ace, but Bell has the ability to be drafted as... a Wide Receiver. Its obvious that the 2008 group should be miles better than they were as freshmen, but you never know with the way this staff develops its passing attack..
Edge - 2008
TE - Smolko (SR) vs. Quarless (Jr)
This shouldn't even be a debate but since the Paterno Family declines to showcase Quarless, it is a question mark. Yes, AQII has dropped a few, but so has every other receiver on this team and they are allowed to play through it. Quarless' ability isn't just a figment of everyone's imagination - the kid has something most TE's don't. Sczerba also has the chance to give Clark a group of talented receiving TE's. Smolko is just another in the long line of Tight Ends who have disappointed since the late 90's.
Edge - 2008, unless Shuler sees all of the snaps.
DE - Hali (SR) & Rice (SR) vs. Evans (Jr) & Gaines (SR)
These players compare to each other quite well, I think. The 2005 duo was better, but they certainly didn't have 2008's depth. Evans could very well put up a Hali-like year and stroll into the NFL's first round at season's end. Gaines is like Rice in that he plays well enough to start, but won't be on anyone's all star list. Maybin should probably start (but he won't), and if Hayes comes back 95-99% from his injury this team could set records for sacks.
Edge - 2005 (for now)
DT - Paxson (SR) & Alford (Jr) vs. Taylor (Jr) & Koroma (Soph)
The 2008 line has the ability to be dominating, but its yet to be really seen. Again, 2008 has more depth, but the 2005 team produced results. Alford and Paxson were feared, and made things easier for the LBs to make plays. Odrick has injury's to overcome, McEowen is rumored to be leaving school (pulling a Logan-El?), and Baker has legal woes and judicial affairs, not to mention Joe's punishment, to deal with. So the depth chart here is all up in the air. In other news, Ogbu >>> Roach. Taylor and Koroma have something the 2005 duo didn't have - size. Still, they need to earn the respect. Coach Larry Johnson leaving would decimate the dominating ability this line has carried since The Presidents established in 2002.
Edge - 2005 (for now)
LB - Posluszny (Jr), Shaw (Jr), Connor (Soph) vs. Lee (SR), Sales (SR), Colasanti/Bowman/Gbadyu (Soph)
PSU's linebackers are going to reload and not be a position of concern for quite a few years. That said, the 2005 unit was the reason all of our newest linebackers wanted to come play for B&W. Lee is in line to be the latest Bednarik winner and Butkus finalist (and possible winner), and the young guys will surely step in and play well, but the 2005 team can' t be touched. Puz+Connor is only exceeded by 2006's Puz+Connor+Lee. Lee will surely be an All American, but the production of the other two positions is yet to be determined.
Edge - 2005
CB - Zemaitis (SR) & Phillips (SR) vs. King/Wallace (SR/Jr) & Sargeant (SR)
The 2005 team was solid, but couldn't stop 1 last second Michigan play, which is so hard to forget. King may very well stay in the draft, but a poor showing in 2007 might be too much to overcome his projected spot. If he doesn't come back, plug in AJ Wallace who at least provides the same prospects that King brings. AZ was a captain and one of 2005's top playmakers in college football, while Phillips proved many doubters wrong and can be pictured signaling "incomplete" pass after pass during the Orange Bowl. The 2008 defensive backs will be able to match any opposing Wide Receiver with speed, but soft coverage and occasional poor tackling hurts this bunch.
Edge - 2005
S - Lowry (SR) & Harrell (SR) vs. Scirrotto (SR) & Davis (SR)
These are almost too similar. Lowry and Scirrotto both return punts, and Davis and Harrell enter their senior years after missing time the year before. I will rank this position as a "push", but I would not be surprised if a healthy 2008 secondary changes that by the end of the year.
Edge - Push
K - Kelly (fresh) & P Kapinos (Jr) vs. K Kelly (SR) & Boone (Jr)
Kelly is almost too difficult to get excited about. Nagging injuries have kept him from capitalizing on the game winning FG in the Orange Bowl, even though he is set to claim PSU all-time scoring records. Inconsistency has plagued his career. Jeremy Boone is one of the biggest surprises I have seen in winning a starting job, probably since Jordan Norwood. I wasn't surprised that he won the job, but that he produced results. Who would have ever thought that out of High School teammates Jeremy Boone and Zach Frazer, Boone will have the more productive college career? I don't really worry about him, the same way Kapinos didn't concern me.
Edge - 2008
Overall - 2005 (duh)
The 2005 team was special and almost ridiculous to compare a team to them so soon, after 2 so-so years. I'm not saying that the 2008 team will go 11-1, I just see an almost equal (if not more) level of experience. Its easy for me to give the nod to the 2005 team, but I can easily see the 2008 team exceeding expectations and challenging the 2005 team by season's end. The 2008 OL as a whole could be better, as well as the secondary, DL and Special Teams. However, are the question marks too much to overcome? Is the MRob Factor too high a hurdle? Would we be better off with Devlin throwing from the pocket to the greatest trio of Wide Receivers in Central PA?
How would you guys breakdown any position battles between these 2 teams, specifically which ones intrigue you the most?
Try not to enter Imagination Land and include Pryor to this team, realistic debates only, please.
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well, similarities in personnel are similar, same w/ experience - but depth has to be in favor of the 2008 team (especially on the lines) - here is another one...in 2005, most PSU fans before the year wanted morelli and now before 2008, at least a fair share of psu fans want devlin - just another similarity to want a backup pocketpasser who was highly recruited over the most senior scrambling QB - they are similar teams, at least on their face
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Did Anthony Morelli throw for over 9,000 yards in H.S.? Would you PERSONALLY consider Anthony Morelli a polished passer? I know I wouldn't, but I do consider Devlin to be.
There is a huge difference between the Morelli/MROB debate versus Devlin/Clark.
1. Michael Robinson had played at QB prior to the '05 season. He had showed flashes at the QB position, and I believe in one game prior to the '05 season he went for close to 300 yards or more. Has Clark even thrown 35 passes? Have any of those passes in an ACTUAL game been thrown further than 10 yards? DOUBTFUL
2. Michael Robinson PROVED...yes I said it, PROVED himself on the football field prior to the '05 season. He did it as a receiver, as a rusher, as a team player. Clark has done NOTHING, except for rush for 60 yards and be referred to as the second coming of Michael Robinson - which BTW pisses me off very much.
3. MROB over Morelli - even if it wasn't significant then...MROB showed leadership, he could hurt you with his legs and he was captain material all the way; he took 3 FRESHMAN WR'S under his wing in order to make the '05 offense go. There wasn't even a well articulated argument for starting Morelli over MROB, pocket passer over dual-threat. The WRs were all question marks and there was no reason to believe that either the WRs or Morelli were ready for that.
Fast forward to '08. It would be a HUGE mistake for the coaches/fans to assume that Clark can produce what Michael Robinson produced. PAT DEVLIN ALL THE WAY! Even though it's not going to happen!
Our 3 senior WRs deserve the QB who can consistently get the football to them, and who can be accurate so they don't have to relive '06/'07 all over again. We also have a potential game changed in Quarless at TE, and Pat Devlin isn't blind so he will actually throw the football to him when he is streaking across the field wide open.
It amazes me how Paterno has a kung fu grip on this program and won't let go, yet even with mediocre results he isn't willing to change. Sorry Joe, if your holding out for one more NC you might want to look at some film and see how teams play now. And it isn't by putting 10 or 13 points on the board then giving your opponent two quarters worth of possessions [3 & out, PUNT...REPEAT] to out do you.
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I find it curious that Chris Baker, who was our best defensive lineman last year, is being counted out of all the 08 depth charts.
Why? If he stays out of trouble, he'll be the starter next year.
All he needs to do is stay out of trouble.
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Depth Chart-
Where do you see Baker left out of the depth chart? It clearly is stated that with his surrounding issues, he is one of the DT's "up in the air". I agree that he could be a starter again next year, but there will be a few steps along the way that need completed first. Until then, I expect Koroma, Odrick or Ogbu to be there.
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At this point in the game, a huge edge goes to 08 for the simple fact that Gramps doesn't have a contract that extends beyond...
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laschout - why isnt Milehi put on notice here? what does he contribute besides talking about "gramps" in a ridulous manner?
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sc - We understand what you are saying. But all views are welcome here as long as they are clean and not over the line.
My best advise for you is do not give him a response. Everytime he gets one response he just thinks he needs to leave 10 more post.
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Nice summary guys but it's too early.Wait until after LOI day. When Pryor commits this changes the QB summary.Pryor will play in the first game and start by the 3rd or 4th!
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Hey probably not best forum for my question but does anyone have any info on Paterno's meeting w/ AD this week?
I think he has additional meeting w/ Spanier next week.
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I don't buy into the edge of '05 at the key positions of QB and RB. You can not compare what Robinson and Hunt contributed to what Clark and Royster may contribute. It's like comoaring apples to oranges. Until Clark and Royster have a legitimate opportunity to showcase their talent, it's not fair to them to compare them to anyone. In the end, I think we'll find that Clark and Royster are playing behind a much more talented OL than Robinson and Hunt. Let's hope they take full advantage of their situation.
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Edge at QB and RB are about the only no-brainers. Clark and Hunt could have career years, they still won't win B10 Offensive POY and best B10 RB.
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I'm not really sure what team you've been watching, but Wallace started the last 5 games at corner, not Seargent so AW is not going to be the nickle next year. After a very average year at safety I'd guarntee they move Davis back to corner. Sukay or most likely Rubin will be the safety. I'd also say you have to count Wiz as a starter, he probably played 40 to 50 percent of snaps coming down the stretch. I think with an off season in the weight room he'll get the start next year. Also, look for Sales to get less time next season.
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I agree AJ will/should be a starter...especially with King declaring. Now if King were coming back, and we had two former Gateway H.S. players as seniors I wouldn't have much faith in the staff - but luckily for me that isn't the case [AJ is my favorite player].also HOPE the staff doesn't make any moves that comes down to Rubin starting at safety. That would be a damn disaster. 'Most likely' Rubin @ safety, that nearly ruined this upcoming season for me already.
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King is gone...good luck in the pros
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Any laschout memebers think there is a chance Joepa actually hits the road this week and actually gets off the coach to recruit?
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I am sure Joe will make some visits during the end of recruiting period. But they wiil be no where near the number of other coaches and most will be a victory lap type for Joe.
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1. Rubin is God-awful, we need to keep him off the field as much as possible next year.
2. They should play both DC and PD at QB next year. The idea that you need the QB to play every snap on offense is out-dated. Different players cycle in at all other positions (e.g. Royster for Kinlaw at RB this past year). As a defensive coordinator, I would not look forward to having to prepare for both QBs, since their styles are so different, as well as their strengths and weaknesses.
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Visits?.. Unless Dr. visits count, Gramps won't be going anywhere. He works from home remember? Some D1 coaches do their job, and some don't, it's that simple.
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does brett billema do his job? i believe joe beat him this year? how bout chuck weis? ditto?
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I can't wait until milehi is 80 yrs old in a wheel chair getting spoon fed pudding and crapping in his diaper b/c lord knows he will not be leading a D-1 football team onto the feild every saturday afternoon. I don't know of many other 80 yr olds that could do that, it's funny how everyone is a critic until they are put in the same situation, ya know I really can't wait for the new coach to come in and do horrible and hear all the people cry for Joe to come back, I hope the man coaches until he is 150 yrs old
JoePa 4 life baby hahahah suck it
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I don't understand. You can't critisize Joe because he is better than the general public at coaching? So what? That could still amke him the 118th best in D1A.
You don't know another 80 year old that could do it? So? If I can find a 100 year old that can do a job better than other 100 year olds, does that make him more qualified than all 45 year olds?
The Paterno regime is done playing big time football. What we have now is a hostage situation, and we are just hoping the hostage gets ot alive.
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is Joe better than the other 104 coaches that he has performed better than the last 3 years??? how many coaches have won 3 straight bowl games. I agree we aren't elite, however, all of these great innovative offenses you all clamor for don't win when it counts. your the same guy that says PIT constantly outrecruits us but in reality they arent winning on the field. maybe recruit rankings shouldnt be all you go by?
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The options at safety (alongside Scirotto) are Davis, Rubin, and Sukay. Do you go with potential over experience? If so, you start Sukay. If not, you're stuck with one of the other two. Personally, I'd move Davis back to starting corner and sit Sargeant down. AJ and Davis at corner; Scirotto and Sukay at safety. Nickel is either Sargeant or Rubin, probably the former.
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^^^Agree with this^^^
Would still like to see Bani get a legit shot at S.
Maybe staff thinks BG is the reincarnation of Spencer Ridenhour (speed issues) but I'd still like to see him tried at S in an actual game and see how he does.
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Coach is not so "ill" as sick of the contract extension process. No matter what spin anyone may want to give you.. Coach... and apparently his son.. will not be recruiting until his contract situation is resolved.
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recruit rankings all you go by?? uh, okay..
I'll go by wins and losses.. chew on this and tell me how it tastes..
-After 15 years, it's proven Gramps and his cronies are a middle of the pack Little 9 team.
-Since Gramps has been in the big 2 little 9, who has more titles, Gramps or Northwestern?
-Kids in 6th grade haven't seen Gramps beat Mich.. Gramps was last seen laying down in front of Carrs front door.
Is that as tasty as a fresh pitcher of Koolaid or what?
Gramps would have a hard time competing in the MAC, he clearly is outmatched in the Big 10.
this just in, if Gramps entire career was in the Big 10, Gramps might have been a short timer.
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is phil fullmer a terrible coach? gramps beat him last year
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Woohoo, we beat UT in a meaningless bowl game!! Hey, we beat A&M this year too, let's sign the old man up for another 5 years, I mean who doesn't call a 5th place finish success!!!
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I wish this website was around a couple years ago b/c I would like to know what all of you were saying when "gramps" as you call him was recruiting Hunt, and then Dwill and King and Devlin, where was all the bashing when we were 11-1, the truest test of a fan is not how they criticize but how they support and trust their team, for god sake I am a buffalo bills fan and you don't hear me bitchin about anything, and really if you don't like how things are going why are you still even a fan and bitching about meaningless crap, it's funny how ppl forget this is a game and entertainment, I think I'm gonna start a blog about the WWE so we can bitch about how our wrestler isn't undefeated and how old vince is and ahahahaha wow you are pathetic...aside from all the negative nacies out there I think this site has great potential if only it kept the ppl off that just argue the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
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Dude, can't you see that there's only one guy (Milehi) who comes here with the sole intention of dragging JoePa's name through the mud? And he's obviously just a Pitt who's trying to compensate for his awful football team, and similarly miniscule brain. Whoever runs this site should delete his posts immediately since they do NOTHING to add to the discussion. Frankly, real Penn Staters are going to stop coming here if they always have to read his mindless drivel.
Discussion moderator: Do something about this crap!
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We are trying to let all opions on here. We will clean up anything that is over the top or when foul language is used. All opions are welcome you decide if you want to respect or believe those opions.
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obviously milehi has an axe to grind, but you have to admit hes making a lot of decent points. sure hes not putting it nicely, but i agree with him on a general basis. the abject failure of this season really put on display how underachieving this program is. clark/devlin should have gotten an opportunity after illinois..and we should have been at worst 10-2 this year
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