Postseason PA Top 25
1) Terrelle Pryor 6'6 230 QB - Jeannette Nothing else has to be said about this once in a generation talent.
PSU Perspective - It is a damn shame that Joe Paterno and his hanging on will cost PSU a kid who grew up a Lion fan. Losing Pryor is inexcusable.
2) Jonathan Baldwin 6'6 205 WR - Aliquippa - Pitt commit has begun to capitalize on his vast potential.
PSU Perspective - Another kid that should be heading to Happy Valley. Unfortunately the Aliquippa bridge was burned a long time ago and Joe has made no effort to rectify that problem. Talents like Baldwin need to be at PSU.
3) Lucas Nix 6'6 295 OL - Thomas Jefferson - Pitt commit and top OL in PA. Was a Pitt lock from the get go due to his brother being there. Had a rough time at the Army AA game but still is a top prospect.
PSU Perspective - PSU was given lip service early and Nix claimed a PSU offer. But PSU realistically had no shot and really didn't put forth much effort for him.
4) Nick Moody 6'2 210 LB - Roman Catholic - Florida State commit is now considered a LB and is an top end prospect at that position. Was too slow to play safety. Excelled in the ESPN AA game.
PSU Perspective - Penn State offered Moody later in the process. But he grew up a FSU fan and quickly jumped on their early offer.
5) Mike Yancich 6'2 225 LB - Trinity - PSU commit has great speed and strength. He can go sideline to sideline with the best of them. Natural LB instincts are the only question at this point.
6) Brendan Beal 6'2 235 LB - Bethlehem Liberty - Florida commit may have surpassed Shayne Hale as the most overrated player in PA. Transferred to Liberty after dominating weaker NJ competition his first 3 years of high school. He found the waters at little more treacherous i n PA and wasn't a dominant force. Questions abound regarding the footspeed of the Army AA LB.
PSU Perspective - PSU supposedly offered him early but for whatever reason was never really in the picture. It is believed that PSU had a number of LBs higher on their recruiting board.
7) Matt Stankiewitch 6'5 290 OL - Blue Mountain - Early PSU commit has a great frame and looks to have a future on the interior OL. Stankiewitch recently played and started at LG in the ESPN All America game and drew excellent reports all week.
8) Cameron Saddler 5'8 165 ATH - Gateway - Pitt commit is a diminutive jet who makes plays all over the field. A true home run threat.
PSU Perspective - PSU knew all about Saddler and kept tabs on him but simply felt that he was too small to play in the Big 10. This was a mistake in this writers opinion. Saddler can play anywhere.
9) Shayne Hale 6'2 235 DE - Gateway - Pitt commit is right there as the most overrated in the class. He played in the Army AA game and was switched back and forth between LB and DE because he didn't excel at either. Will likely end up at DE at Pitt once his promised position (L
fails to materialize.
PSU Perspective - PSU knew all about Hale as well and simply didn't think he was as good as other LBs on their recruiting board. Despite Hales assertions it is not believed that he truly held a written PSU offer.
10) Mark Wedderburn 6'6 235 TE - Cardinal O'Hara - PSU legacy and commit has good upside and solid athleticism for a TE. He will redshirt to gain strength.
11) Hubie Graham 6'4 235 TE - West Scranton - Illinois commit is known as an excellent blocker who really won't be a downfield threat. He can be a factor in short yardage passing situations.
PSU Perspective - PSU never offered Graham because they held Wedderburn higher on their board. They kept tabs on him early but never escalated their recruitment.
12) Andrew Sweat 6'2 235 LB - Trinity - Ohio State commit is a typical, physical MLB. Questions exist both about his weight and footspeed. A conversion to FB could be in his future.
PSU Perspective - Sweat was offered early by PSU and was thought to be a PSU commit at one point. As the recruiting season concluded and the summer began it began to become apparent that Sweat wasn't the best LB on his own team. In this writers opinion PSU dodged a bullet here.
13) Christian Wilson 6'2 235 ATH - Montour - Wilson is a soft Michigan commit but is currently taking other visits. A jack of all trades, master of none type whose best college position appears to be FB.
PSU Perspective - PSU supposedly offered Wilson fairly early although it can't be confirmed. Wilson was never enamored with PSU and the Lions were never in the picture.
14) Tyler Sands 6'5 300 OL - Boyertown - Illinois commit is a solid physical kid whose stock rose as the summer and fall progressed.
PSU Perspective - Sands made it clear that he was waiting for a PSU offer, but it never came. PSU simply had other kids higher on their recruiting board. Unfortunately none of those kids are PSU bound. PSU made a mistake not offering Sands.
15) Chris Burns 5'10 190 TB - Wilmington - Early Pitt commit is considered arguably the top TB in the state. Not as fast as advertised but a good, quick back nonetheless.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't seriously recruit Burns and never came close to offering him.
16) Jared Holley 5'9 170 CB - Easton - Holley recently committed to Pitt. A little on the small side and maybe a step slow but has good lateral quickness. Holley didn't improve much over the last 2 years.
PSU Perspective - PSU offered Holley early but their interest appeared to wane as the recruiting season progressed. Holley's interest in PSU appeared to be lukewarm as well. It looks like both parties went their separate ways.
17) A.J. Alexander 5'10 165 ATH - Altoona - Recent Pitt commit has blazing speed and kick return abilities. He needs a lot of strength work and isn't a natural instinctive football player.
PSU Perspective - Alexander was offered very early by PSU but initially committed to FSU. After his subsequent decommitment from FSU Joe Paterno refused to allow PSU to take Alexander. Alexander practically begged to be a Lion but a stubborn, obstinate head coach blocked that from happening. PSU made a mistake here. Actually...make that Joe Paterno screwed up here. Alexander is not a great football player but his speed and game breaking abilities were sorely needed.
18) Adrian Robinson 6'2 225 LB - Harrisburg - Outstanding athlete and highly productive LB/DE who had to have been the state leader in sacks. Robinson makes plays all over the field in all aspects of the game.
PSU Perspective - PSU never recruited Robinson. Academics could be the reason here. But strictly from a talent standpoint Robinson could easily play at PSU.
19) Vaughn Carraway 6'3 180 ATH - Muhlenburg - Versatile athlete who is another jack of all trades type. Will likely initially play WR in college. Pitt, Michigan, WVU are all schools on his list.
PSU Perspective - PSU has maintained contact with Carraway but has not offered and it appears that they won't. It has been speculated that Carraway wants a PSU offer.
20) Mike Cruz 6'4 250 TE - Bishop McCort - Cruz is again a Pitt commit. A big, strong TE who also will be a blocker first.
PSU Perspective - PSU never really recruited Cruz and never offered.
21) Tino Sunseri 6'1 190 QB - Pittsburgh Central Catholic - Sunseri recently committed to Pitt after decommitting from Louisville. Not the tallest QB but throws an accurate ball and has a decent arm.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't recruit Sunseri.
22) Mike Shanahan 6'4 200 WR - Norwin - Pitt verbal is an outstanding athlete who recently decided to concentrate on football after being courted by several Division One basketball programs.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't recruit Shanahan.
23) Corey Lewis 6'7 285 OT - East Stroudsburg South - Early Virginia verbal. Lewis moved to East Stroudsburg from Virginia for his senior season. Supposedly has excellent feet for a big kid.
PSU Perspective - Lewis is rumored to hold a PSU offer and has stated recently that he plans on visiting PSU to make sure that he is 100% with Virgina. With PSUs dire need for OTs the book can't be closed yet on Lewis.
24) Antwuan Reed 5'9 175 CB - Johnstown - Pitt commit is a smallish CB but is very quick and very physical. There are academic questions surrounding Reed.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't recruit Reed.
25) Manny Williams 6'1 200 DB - Clairton - Pitt commitment saw his stock rise this past spring. There are questions as to whether Williams is fast enough to play Safety or if his future is at LB.
PSU Perspective - PSU did not recruit Williams.
PSU Perspective - It is a damn shame that Joe Paterno and his hanging on will cost PSU a kid who grew up a Lion fan. Losing Pryor is inexcusable.
2) Jonathan Baldwin 6'6 205 WR - Aliquippa - Pitt commit has begun to capitalize on his vast potential.
PSU Perspective - Another kid that should be heading to Happy Valley. Unfortunately the Aliquippa bridge was burned a long time ago and Joe has made no effort to rectify that problem. Talents like Baldwin need to be at PSU.
3) Lucas Nix 6'6 295 OL - Thomas Jefferson - Pitt commit and top OL in PA. Was a Pitt lock from the get go due to his brother being there. Had a rough time at the Army AA game but still is a top prospect.
PSU Perspective - PSU was given lip service early and Nix claimed a PSU offer. But PSU realistically had no shot and really didn't put forth much effort for him.
4) Nick Moody 6'2 210 LB - Roman Catholic - Florida State commit is now considered a LB and is an top end prospect at that position. Was too slow to play safety. Excelled in the ESPN AA game.
PSU Perspective - Penn State offered Moody later in the process. But he grew up a FSU fan and quickly jumped on their early offer.
5) Mike Yancich 6'2 225 LB - Trinity - PSU commit has great speed and strength. He can go sideline to sideline with the best of them. Natural LB instincts are the only question at this point.
6) Brendan Beal 6'2 235 LB - Bethlehem Liberty - Florida commit may have surpassed Shayne Hale as the most overrated player in PA. Transferred to Liberty after dominating weaker NJ competition his first 3 years of high school. He found the waters at little more treacherous i n PA and wasn't a dominant force. Questions abound regarding the footspeed of the Army AA LB.
PSU Perspective - PSU supposedly offered him early but for whatever reason was never really in the picture. It is believed that PSU had a number of LBs higher on their recruiting board.
7) Matt Stankiewitch 6'5 290 OL - Blue Mountain - Early PSU commit has a great frame and looks to have a future on the interior OL. Stankiewitch recently played and started at LG in the ESPN All America game and drew excellent reports all week.
8) Cameron Saddler 5'8 165 ATH - Gateway - Pitt commit is a diminutive jet who makes plays all over the field. A true home run threat.
PSU Perspective - PSU knew all about Saddler and kept tabs on him but simply felt that he was too small to play in the Big 10. This was a mistake in this writers opinion. Saddler can play anywhere.
9) Shayne Hale 6'2 235 DE - Gateway - Pitt commit is right there as the most overrated in the class. He played in the Army AA game and was switched back and forth between LB and DE because he didn't excel at either. Will likely end up at DE at Pitt once his promised position (L
fails to materialize.PSU Perspective - PSU knew all about Hale as well and simply didn't think he was as good as other LBs on their recruiting board. Despite Hales assertions it is not believed that he truly held a written PSU offer.
10) Mark Wedderburn 6'6 235 TE - Cardinal O'Hara - PSU legacy and commit has good upside and solid athleticism for a TE. He will redshirt to gain strength.
11) Hubie Graham 6'4 235 TE - West Scranton - Illinois commit is known as an excellent blocker who really won't be a downfield threat. He can be a factor in short yardage passing situations.
PSU Perspective - PSU never offered Graham because they held Wedderburn higher on their board. They kept tabs on him early but never escalated their recruitment.
12) Andrew Sweat 6'2 235 LB - Trinity - Ohio State commit is a typical, physical MLB. Questions exist both about his weight and footspeed. A conversion to FB could be in his future.
PSU Perspective - Sweat was offered early by PSU and was thought to be a PSU commit at one point. As the recruiting season concluded and the summer began it began to become apparent that Sweat wasn't the best LB on his own team. In this writers opinion PSU dodged a bullet here.
13) Christian Wilson 6'2 235 ATH - Montour - Wilson is a soft Michigan commit but is currently taking other visits. A jack of all trades, master of none type whose best college position appears to be FB.
PSU Perspective - PSU supposedly offered Wilson fairly early although it can't be confirmed. Wilson was never enamored with PSU and the Lions were never in the picture.
14) Tyler Sands 6'5 300 OL - Boyertown - Illinois commit is a solid physical kid whose stock rose as the summer and fall progressed.
PSU Perspective - Sands made it clear that he was waiting for a PSU offer, but it never came. PSU simply had other kids higher on their recruiting board. Unfortunately none of those kids are PSU bound. PSU made a mistake not offering Sands.
15) Chris Burns 5'10 190 TB - Wilmington - Early Pitt commit is considered arguably the top TB in the state. Not as fast as advertised but a good, quick back nonetheless.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't seriously recruit Burns and never came close to offering him.
16) Jared Holley 5'9 170 CB - Easton - Holley recently committed to Pitt. A little on the small side and maybe a step slow but has good lateral quickness. Holley didn't improve much over the last 2 years.
PSU Perspective - PSU offered Holley early but their interest appeared to wane as the recruiting season progressed. Holley's interest in PSU appeared to be lukewarm as well. It looks like both parties went their separate ways.
17) A.J. Alexander 5'10 165 ATH - Altoona - Recent Pitt commit has blazing speed and kick return abilities. He needs a lot of strength work and isn't a natural instinctive football player.
PSU Perspective - Alexander was offered very early by PSU but initially committed to FSU. After his subsequent decommitment from FSU Joe Paterno refused to allow PSU to take Alexander. Alexander practically begged to be a Lion but a stubborn, obstinate head coach blocked that from happening. PSU made a mistake here. Actually...make that Joe Paterno screwed up here. Alexander is not a great football player but his speed and game breaking abilities were sorely needed.
18) Adrian Robinson 6'2 225 LB - Harrisburg - Outstanding athlete and highly productive LB/DE who had to have been the state leader in sacks. Robinson makes plays all over the field in all aspects of the game.
PSU Perspective - PSU never recruited Robinson. Academics could be the reason here. But strictly from a talent standpoint Robinson could easily play at PSU.
19) Vaughn Carraway 6'3 180 ATH - Muhlenburg - Versatile athlete who is another jack of all trades type. Will likely initially play WR in college. Pitt, Michigan, WVU are all schools on his list.
PSU Perspective - PSU has maintained contact with Carraway but has not offered and it appears that they won't. It has been speculated that Carraway wants a PSU offer.
20) Mike Cruz 6'4 250 TE - Bishop McCort - Cruz is again a Pitt commit. A big, strong TE who also will be a blocker first.
PSU Perspective - PSU never really recruited Cruz and never offered.
21) Tino Sunseri 6'1 190 QB - Pittsburgh Central Catholic - Sunseri recently committed to Pitt after decommitting from Louisville. Not the tallest QB but throws an accurate ball and has a decent arm.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't recruit Sunseri.
22) Mike Shanahan 6'4 200 WR - Norwin - Pitt verbal is an outstanding athlete who recently decided to concentrate on football after being courted by several Division One basketball programs.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't recruit Shanahan.
23) Corey Lewis 6'7 285 OT - East Stroudsburg South - Early Virginia verbal. Lewis moved to East Stroudsburg from Virginia for his senior season. Supposedly has excellent feet for a big kid.
PSU Perspective - Lewis is rumored to hold a PSU offer and has stated recently that he plans on visiting PSU to make sure that he is 100% with Virgina. With PSUs dire need for OTs the book can't be closed yet on Lewis.
24) Antwuan Reed 5'9 175 CB - Johnstown - Pitt commit is a smallish CB but is very quick and very physical. There are academic questions surrounding Reed.
PSU Perspective - PSU didn't recruit Reed.
25) Manny Williams 6'1 200 DB - Clairton - Pitt commitment saw his stock rise this past spring. There are questions as to whether Williams is fast enough to play Safety or if his future is at LB.
PSU Perspective - PSU did not recruit Williams.
nice write up.
Gramps sure is doing a good job of recruiting for pitt. Wanny has outworked Paps for years now, good thing we don't have them on our schedule.
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i seldom like to talk about PITT, as i a bleed blue and white, but there are some things that some of you are forgetting. In very recent history, PITT has been in a BCS game. Thankfully, they didnt fair so well. And for all the Wanny haters on this site, at least he has the guts to start freshman in skill spots. If we ever did that, could you imagine what might have been?? we continue to give our starting QBs 1 (or 2 at best) years under center. Look how that has turned out. Henne became a star after starting 4 years. Juice williams is so far ahead of our QBs and now has 2 years of experience. it doesnt stop there, look at WV, ND, Wisconsn, and to many others to list. In today's college game, you play the talent when it is there. There is no 4 year guarantee any longer. i wish we would wake up and realize that we waste talent year after year while they pay their "dues" on the bench. Lastly, i give PITT credit for this. Consider your comments about playing on wednesday night in front of 11k people. Knowing this, how are they still able to out recruit us!! imagine where we would be if we were in that situation, considering we cant get offensive players now!! I hope we dont have all out eggs in the T Pryor basket, because that game is about up.
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3 of the top 10 isn't terrible considering PA is not the football hotbed it once was. why don't all of PITTS recruits perform on the field? just because they are top 10 in PA doesn't mean they are great big 10 players. pitt's big east performance proves that out. we have several commits from OH and even a guy from TX that I'm sure would be ranked ahead most of these guys. everybody on here strokes off McCoy who had a 4.8 yard per carry against weak competition. evan royster, a VA native had a 6.3 yard per carry against better competition. thats a whole 1.5 yards. just because most psu alums are from PA doesnt mean PA recruits are better than other states. this myopic view of PA has got to change. both royster and kinlaw outperformed "shady" this year yet people harp on us missing out on lesean. the facts don't backup lesean being better than either of those 2.
oh yeah, royster is injury prone? who has had a serious injury in his high school career and had to attend a prep school? lets stop harping on PA rankings when PA isn't dominant anymore.
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McCoy will most likely be a Top 10 draft pick at some point. Royster nor Kinlaw will sniff that. Enough said.
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SC. You post contains many inaccuracies and misperceptions:
1.Wannstedt has had two of his own classes on the field so far at Pitt. So, there are a bunch of freshmen and sophmores who are playing. It's not that these top 10 or top 25 Pa recruits have played poorly, what you have is first and second year players competing against 4th and 5th year players. Pitt's recruits are doing just fine on the field. Like every program, a few blue chippers have disappointed and a few under the radar recruits have excelled. Too soon to judge because they are just freshmen and sophmores. Pitt was the only D1 team in college football to start true freshmen at QB and tailback for the majority of their offensive snaps in 2007. We were also the youngest team in D1.
2. So, everyone who observes college fooball is wrong about LeSean McCoy. Consensus 1st team freshman All-American. Big East rookie of the year. ECAC rookie of the year. First team All Big East (ahead of previous year All American Steve Slaton of WVU and alongside Rutgers A-A Ray Rice). Along with U Ga's Moreno, considered two best freshman running backs in America by everyone but PSU fans. All of the NFL scouts say he would be among the first couple of backs taken if he came out this year. Gained 4.8 yards per carry when the opposing defenses knew he was going to run because of Pitt's non-existant passing attack. He faced 8 or 9 guys in the box all year. Do you really think Royster (who is a fine back) is nearly as good as McCoy? Royster faced better competition??? Are you nuts? With PSU's out of conference schedule. And McCoy didn't start the season's first two games against cupcakes Eastern Michigan & Grambling. Check the facts and you will learn the top 4 or 5 teams in the Big East are quite competitive with The Big 11. WVU, Rutgers, South Florida & Pitt all had nationally ranked defenses. Your perceptions are outdated, incorrect and not based in reality.
JoePa is the greatest college football coach of all time. But he's hurting you guys now. Dave Wannstedt is simply outrecruiting old Joe. Some people question DW's coaching ability. He has accumulated so much talent & depth. Bottom line has always been players win...and Pitt now has better players than its' Big East brethren and PSU.
In the past, JoePa has refused to play Pitt because of some perceived transgression from 25 years ago. It's time to move on. I've attended around 20 Pitt-PSU games over the years. Even though you guys have won most of those, I really miss the series. I am very fed up with a grumpy 81 year old New Yorker holding this series hostage. Millions of Pennsylvanians would love to see this series resumed. I think Joe's reasoning has changed. He no longer wants to play Pitt because Penn State nation is afraid of the ass-kicking Pitt would inflict on the Nits. Our players are just better than yours now. JoePa and the Penn State athletic adnministration are a bunch of cowards. Who runs your school anyway?
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where you don't get football is that who makes the best nfl player doesnt always make the best college player and vice versa. look at some national champion qb's and let me know how they did in the nfl (heupel, krenzel, matt flynn this year, etc. ,etc. ,etc.) now move on to running backs (fla - who?, hester - common, texas - nothing yet, reggie bush - bust so far in the pros, vincent from lsu in 2002 was the star of the game where is he today?, mo clarett, )
my point is a nfl back doesnt mean he's the best for the college game - u cant argue kinlaws college production was equal to better than mccoy's. so was tony hunts the year b4 - he may have not been a first round pick but he was as good if not better as a collegiate
georgia started plenty of freshmen and look where it got them and that was on the o-line
dorrin dickerson where are you??
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how is dorin dickerson doing? where was he ranked? or nate byham
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Would Tyler Sands have given PSU a serious look if they offered this fall? He looks to have pounced on an Illinois offered pretty early. Did PSU actively pursue him after their top targets went off the board?
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if you want to say osu has outrecruited psu thats fair - that has been proven by performance on the field. pit has not proved that theory correct. all they recruit apparently are overrated players with high star ratings which mean nothing...what was todd reesing rated? or chase daniels? im too lazy to look
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I just found this site recently, but one thing is brutally obvious. Milehi is either a Pitt fan or a Pitt alumnus... which, in either case, is obviously very, very sad. Heck, his above comment gives it away... "good thing we [PSU] don't have them [Pitt] on our schedule". Yeah, good thing for Pitt, a perennial cellar dweller in the Big Asstastic East. Wannstache has that program going absolutely nowhere and that's obvious to anyone with a brain. Do you enjoy playing Navy at home on a Wednesday night in front of 11,000 people, Milehi? Yeah, I thought so. Well, if scheduling (and losing) games like that is the mark of a football program with a glowing future, then it's clear Pitt will be national champs next year. Get your own stadium and a team that can muster a winning season, Milehi, then come back here and we might think you have an ounce of credibility. Right now, your comments mean exactly nothing.
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Since you state that you are new around here... Most us us have decided that we are better off not feeding the animal... Possibly he will move on before too long.
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Isnt Penn State 5th in the country in average star recruiting according to Scout? HOW DISGRACEFUL !!!
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I think what hurts the most is if Pryor was in Ohio or Michigan this saga would have been over long ago. When you have a player of Pryor's caliber it should be no question where he's going when you're the top dog in the state. This loss is going to badly hurt the next 4 years.
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I'm glad to see you all have been on track with your comments. For those of you who do not know what to say....here you go.
PSU TALKING POINTS
from the PSU Public Relations Manual, Chapter 1 - Dealing with the University of Pittsburgh
1) If Pitt gets a recruit - no matter how highly regarded - you have to realize that one or more of the following conditions apply:
* PSU either never offered him or never offered in writing, or only offered at another position
* Grades were an issue
* PSU has other kids rated higher
* He wasn't PSU "material"
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Can somebody clarify what the story is between Aliquippa (sp?) and PSU and what bridges were burned? Thanks in advance.
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Wow. PSU only wanted three of the top 25 kids in PA?!?! Good thing we got the three we actually wanted and didn't miss out any players that were PSU material. PA football must be really down this year. I can't believe we tricked all those schmoes at Florida, Pitt, Ohio State and Illinois into taking all these guys we didn't want. That is great subterfuge on our part to load their rosters with these poor players and thus increase our chances of beating them. Genius!!
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Thanks for the nice summary on Pitt's recruiting class. The comments on some of the other college's recruits were also interesting. Hopefully you'll post something about PSU's recruits at some point.
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Penn State is no longer relevant in college football (and never was in basketball).
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I know, it was great watching Pitt play their bowl game this year. They really played great.
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We may not have played in a bowl game, but our victory over WVU was just as good. Huge recruiting windfall. A Pitt victory decided the National Championship.
And all we Pitt fans ask is..when are the cowardly Nittany Lions going to finally agree to play Pitt?
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Why should we? What is in it for us? Playing on a Thursday night? Playing in a stadium that has zero college atmosphere? Playing in a stadium that typically has 20-25k fans for a Pitt game? The good news would be that it would likely feel like a home game, since it is likely that there would be more PSU fans in attendance than Pitt fans... Unless you make us buy tickets for other Pitt games to get tickets.
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"And all we Pitt fans ask is..when are the cowardly Nittany Lions going to finally agree to play Pitt?"
Why? Isn't Joe's 23-7-1 pwnage of your team enough? You just want him to pile on?
Go take your "small wee wee syndrome" somewhere else...like West Virginia and the rest of the Big Easy.
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When responding to HarrisburgPittGuy, please also refer to some or all of the following sections of the PR Guide especially #9.
PSU TALKING POINTS
(from the PSU Public Relations Manual, Chapter 1 - Dealing with the University of Pittsburgh)
5) No matter how many losing seasons PSU ever has, they are still a powerhouse that is superior to Pitt in every way. If Pitt played in the Big Ten, Pitt would never have another winning season.
6) Pitt facilities, no matter how state-of-the-art, even if they are good enough for the Pittsburgh Steelers, are diminished because they are "rented" and not on campus.
7) No matter what you might think, Pitt never draws more than 30,000 to a game. On the odd occasion that Heinz Field or Pitt Stadium sold out, it was only because the opponent’s fans bought 60% of the tickets and of course they out cheered Pitt.
8 ) Dave Wannstedt is the biggest coaching failure in NFL history, whose entire career was a fraud built on the coattails of Jimmy Johnson. No evidence to the contrary is accepted on this point.
9) Pitt is not, and never has been the true rival of Penn State. Playing Pitt for the 97th time would not be an acknowledgement of said non-rivalry's existence, it would be an act of pity for Pitt's lowly program that needs the help so desperately. Playing Pitt brings absolutely zero benefit to PSU , and would be a financial disaster for their program.
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What are all you shitbag Pitt fans doing on a Penn State blog anyway? Oh wait... your own program's in the toilet, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. So, you're here to try to find a way to make yourselves feel better. LOL Seriously, you clowns might as well dig a hole and bury yourselves in it, because you have absolutely no hope of seeing a winning season at Pitt any time soon!
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"Millions of Pennsylvanians would love to see this series resumed."
Wrong.
"He [Paterno] no longer wants to play Pitt because Penn State nation is afraid of the ass-kicking Pitt would inflict on the Nits."
LOL... that's hysterically funny.
"Our players are just better than yours now."
Holy crap... that's even funnier!!
"JoePa and the Penn State athletic adnministration are a bunch of cowards. Who runs your school anyway?"
Hell, I don't even know what that means! I do know that the renewal of the Penn State - Pitt rivalry is something only Pitt fans really want to see. Penn State fans could give a rat's ass about it.
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HS- any word on this Ware kid from H'burg?
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No matter how you slice it... Penn State's recruiting efforts are abysmal this year. Stop the blather about average star rating.. we're recruiting well in our position of least need-- LB. Take a look at OLine, DB, and WR talent we've struck out on. We're in serious trouble with the positions of most need. Joe has made ZERO recruiting visits since visiting Moye, and by my count offensive coaches other than Kenney have made no visits since October. Before you start with the "Joe's sick" argument... I'll ask whether he's been sick all year... and why exactlky that precludes Jay or Galen from recruiting.
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I think Jay has done enough "recruiting" for Penn State for one year.
Joe needs to make a few visits this month. Some high profile guys need to see some love!
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If we need to follow "Robert's Rules", I second the motion.
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As a PSU Alumni/fan, I would love to see the Pitt series resume. I don't care whether we win or lose, the two schools should play each other...period.
As for recruiting, this is a terrible year, and reminds of the recruiting efforts before the exceptionally bleak years from 2000 to 2005. It's a shame that the coaching staff tends to take an antiquated look at recruiting in that they have to be "our" material.
I'll agree that Wanny has done an excellent job recruiting at Pitt, but I'll also say that (WVU win notwithstanding) if he can't produce a winning record this year with his classes starting to mature, it's time to re-evaluate.
But again, I'm a PSU fan, so what the hell do I know about Pitt? I know that Jay Paterno needs his ass kicked out the door though.
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"Holley didn't improve much over the last 2 years."
That might be the dumbest statement I have seen on this board! His stats in 2006 were great and he had 9 int's. Last year, he had to play half the year at QB and on defense NO ONE dared to throw at him, except for P'burg in the Turkey Day game. Result was 3 INT's. Then lame Scout drops him to a 3*! Pitt got a great one on and off the field. Paterno and PSU has lost too many good PA recruits lately. Spanier and the BOT must have the balls to not renew his contract! Fat chance!
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ccpcman and his love affair continues? 5'9 and SLOW! sargeant was more talented from california high school than this holley kid is from a weak lehigh valley. you crow about his offers from florida but if florida really offered why would he choose pitt over florida? if that is true, he may not be "penn state material" haha - who would pick pit over the sun and fun of gainesville
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BTW, Holley shut down a much bigger Wedderburn in 2006 as Easton defeated his team 6-0.
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The arrogance of PSU is crazy. Yes i'm sure PSU didn't want a 5* LB in Shayne Hale. Yes I forgot he isn't PSU material. You guys make me sick. A.J. Alexander begged Joe Pa to got to PSU?!and he didn't allow him because he already commited to FSU. That didn't stop him from going after Morrelli when he was commited here. Since when does Joe Pa care about that stuff?? Maybe... just maybe... Alexander liked Pitt better...just a thought!
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And concerning Pryor. Why would he want to go play at PSU. You guys just took a 5* QB(morrelli) and gave him no coaching and ran him into the ground. Why would he want to play somewhere that hasn't had a QB drafted im i don't know how long?! Why would he want to go play for Jay Paterno who is only coaching there because of Daddy? I'm not saying Pitt is better but we have at least turned out a few offensive guys in the past decade. I think pryor is better off going to Michigan where they can use his spread option. Yes every person on Scout.com and Rivals.com has Hale overated. I'm sure this writer knows much more about skill level than the many experts on scout and rivals.
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fyi... If I'm not mistaken Hale was dropped from the Rivals Top 100 list.
Morelli didnt succeed because of himself and Jay. 75% Morelli. 25% Jay. Just a rough estimate. It's not jay's fault that Morelli would almost never check off his #1 WR and go for the open guy underneath or in the middle of the field.
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Wow you are so arrogant. Typical I guess
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This article should be titled, "How to make Haterade" The points about Beal, Hale, and Alexander are hilarious. I can honestly understand the harsh truth that PSU has gotten its ass handed to it in recruiting this year because people see Paterno for what he is, A fossil thats one mandiaper away from extinction
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Re: Your placement of Sweat at 15 and Yancich at 5...Did you watch Trinity play any games this year? Because I was at every game. Sweat put up better stats than Yancich all year long while being double teamed on nearly every play. In essence, Sweat MADE Yancich because while Sweat was being double teamed (while averaging 16 tackles a game) Yancich was left free to roam because, as anyone with a brain and a VCR could see, the key to beating Trinity was stopping Sweat on defense.
The rankings are clearly the most biased rankings I have every seen anywhere on the web. Hale and Sweat overrated? You sir are truly an idiot.
The only reason Yancich was even offered by PSU was to try and entice Sweat to go there as well (and he was given a 24 hour offer at that). And if Yancich is so good why wasn't he offered by any other top programs besides PSU. Keep drinking your PSU kool aid and have fun basking in 8-4, 7-5 seasons until JoePa croaks.
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See my comments above about Hale.
On Scouts, both Sweat and Yancich are 4* guys. Swet is the #6 MLB. Yancich is the #4 WLB . Probably close to even. I think most people have agreed that Sweat is more of an instinctive player who has good technique while Yancich is the better athlete, but is a little more raw at this time. I have lots of faith in Vanderlinden to turn Yancich into a great LB. As for why Yancich wasnt offered by other schools, it might have something to do wtih the fact he verbaled to PSU so early and had no interest in other schools.
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Sweat received multiple offers from MAJOR universities AFTER he verballed to tOSU. Where are all of Yancich's offers (not counting the mid major offers)? I just don't get it.
And where was Yancich while Sweat was playing in the ESPN All American game as captain of the defense for the Silver team?
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Yancich was playing in the Under Armor All American game. You are the first person, Pitt or PSU fan, that has watched them both play and come away with the opinion of Sweat being better than Yancich.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=2975876
There's the link to the rosters of the Under Armor All American game. Where's Yancich?? Don't see his name.
And re: your comment that I am the ONLY person to watch them both play and came away thinking that Yancich was the better player...
Sweat received offers from over 75 schools including tOSU, Michigan, Florida, the U, Texas, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc etc etc.
Yancich's ONLY offer from a legit BCS school was PSU. (and like I indicated before...Yancich only received that offer to entice Sweat to go there AND it was a 24 hour "take it or leave it offer").
So, obviously you're right. I am the only one who came away with that opinion...except for the coaches and recruiting coordinators at just about every major football program.
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Yancich played in the Offense-Defense game in Florida the night before the UA game and AA game. He forced the game winning fumble that Zordich returned for a TD.
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"Yancich played in the Offense-Defense game in Florida the night before the UA game and AA game. He forced the game winning fumble that Zordich returned for a TD."
Ahhh Yes...the JV game. I once scored 12 points in a JV basketball game before the varsity won the section title...DOUCEHBAG.
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So that means you are calling Mike Zordich JV as well. Thanks for losing ANY credibility you might have had.
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Pryor NEVER grew up a Lion fan. Where do you get your info? Do you just make it up?
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"Penn State football is no longer relevant"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AND PITT IS!?
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Delusional.
A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion. Delusions are distinct from culturally or religiously based beliefs that may be seen as untrue by outsiders.
All of you, seek treatment before you hurt yourself.
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